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Subject: Re: Sim Racing Frustration :-((((((
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demo for GP3?...where?.............

Christer Andersson wrote:

> Todd Dry wrote:
> >
> > I've been doing the sim racing thing for quite a while, and GPL may be a
> > wonderful sim and all but I just can't get very interested in it.  I think the
> > time period is my biggest problem.  I couldn't care less about driving a '67
> > F1 car.  The thought that most often crosses my mind while driving this thing
> > is "Weren't the drivers idiots (stupid, crazy, insane) for even getting in
> > these heaps?"  No wonder half of them died behind the wheel.
>
> I hope this thought has passed through all our brains, or you and I are some
> really odd humans ;o).
>
> > The tracks suck.  Well, not all of them.  I mean Mosport is definately
> > awesome, and the Nurburgring is insane much like the drivers.  But I'll take
> > the current Spa, Monza, and Silverstone configurations any day over this crap.
> > I could literally fall asleep at Spa and Monza, and Silverstone has only one
> > real interesting section the rest of it is pretty much shift up to 5th, brake,
> > shift down to 2nd, and turn right.
>
> Still driving the Eagle, Todd :o)? The Ferrari is the only car of them which can
> keep me awake. It's the sound that does it.
>
> > Racing Online sucks.  Well, not always, but most of the time.  In the open
> > races you get to race at your choice of Spa, Monza, Silverstone, or another
> > track that sucks not mentioned above, Watkins Glen, in a ten lap sprint where
> > the winner is the guy that survived turn one because every race field has at
> > least one idiot in it that's hell bent to go from worst to first right out of
> > the gate.  Hey idiot! You most probably qualified where you are for a reason
> > so stay there for a lap or two!
>
> Go for one of Eric Cote's (Ferraris only) or Jean Claude's (Ferraris only and
> Coventrys only) leagues, Todd. Great drivers. I run my first race in Eric's last
> weekend at Monaco. I won, btw :o). No first corner pile up, the backmarkers let
> me by just fine. There was one who wouldn't let me by in practice, but that's
> all.
>
> Try the non-Lotus races at VROC. I have great experience of those races. Perhaps
> cause most beginners want to drive the fastest car, thus choosing the Lotus.
>
> Await GP3 :o))). I downloaded the demo... NOT, but some sound files of a modern
> F1 Ferrari and sure the sound from -67 revving to 10000 rpm is great, but
> revving to 15000+ rpm is almost unbelievable. Not to mention the downshifting.
> Recently I did some laps in GP2 and I must say that even almost three years
> after the release of GP2 the sound is very good and I have high espectations for
> GP3 :o). The internet play should be better than in GPL. I'm looking forward to
> outbrake you, Todd :o).
>
> > Racing Offline sucks.  You get the pleasure of John Surtees pretending he's
> > the same online idiot that I described above.
>
> I totally agree with you, Todd. The offline racing in GPL is not a very pleasant
> experience. The AI not having cold tires from the start, braking in to you and
> doing several odd things. It's as if they dont know (Papy forgot to program it)
> that if they are close to me doing 300+ kph they have to brake at least one car
> length earlier than normal to not brake straight in to me.
>
> I once raced the AI at Monza and after a couple of laps I was third on the
> start/finish straight and trying to slip stream the second when he suddenly lets
> off his gas resulting in me going straight in to him. I watched the replay and
> apparently the driver in first place catches a back marker and instead of going
> around him (there were a lot of room, a lot), he slows down, and then the second
> driver slows down and then I dont :o).
>
> That insident was the final blow for me to never again race the AI in GPL. I've
> driven the gp2 AI for hundreds of hours and never seen such odd behaviour. My
> advice to Papyrus is to keep it simple and take one step at the time.
>
> > Maybe I've been doing this too long :-(((((
>
> No, I dont think so, Todd. The first years of internet racing will be very
> frustrating, because of we (the humans) being lousy to implement it. The offline
> racing could of been really great in GPL if the AI drove the same cars as we
> have too and was implemented as "simple" as in GP2. Look forward to GP3, Sports
> Car GT and Trans Am Racing, Todd... please do that. I want to race you many more
> times before we lay six feet under :o).
>
> /Christer
> --
> http://home.swipnet.se/~w-41236/ (Read all about the "Global online
> racing"-proposal under "For developers". Read it a couple of times, cause noone
> has understood it the first time they've read it yet :o)).
> http://home.swipnet.se/~w-41236/GplLadder/SOGL/index.html (Join one of the
> online GPL ladders)

