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jpr@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> Not only that, but the faster you fly, the faster the fire burns (if 
> engine fire) I was taught...  

Hmmm, the standard POH procedure for extinguishing engine fire is
to *increase* speed.  In fact I was required to do this on my PPL
checkride, and the DE requested a Vno dive rather than the 120 kts
recommended in the POH.

Engine fire and cockpit fire kind of two different situations. In
the former, you probably want to dive to try to put it out, then
look around for the best place to land at a normal best glide if
you succeed (otherwise just land under control).  Cockpit fire, if
you don't have a fire extinguisher the only thing to do is kill the
electrical power and hope it stops, or get on the ground fast and
hope you get there while you're still capable.

> I am not IFR rated yet, but I think it may be harder to keep from 
> getting disoriented in a full-effort slip than the gentle 30-degree 
> banks originally suggested.

That's a valid concern.  I think it partly depends upon whether 
you train for a slip on the gauges, and are accustomed to what
the instrument indications should be and to slipping on instruments.

Instrument flying is basically knowing what the instruments should
look like in each maneuver, and making sure that they look that way.

So I've tried slipping under the hood, and it's not uncontrollable, 
just different, but the instrument indications do take some getting
used to.  It is the sort of thing you probably don't want to try
for the first time in actual or in an emergency.

Just a note, "gentle 30 degree banks" are about 15 degrees steeper
than the "standard rate turn" it is recommended as the steepest
turn on instruments.  However, instrument students are required to
train for 45 degree banks, so should be accustomed to the "feel",
the control pressure needed, and the instrument indications.

Regards,
Snowbird

