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Jim Sokoloff wrote:
 
> Snowbird <snbird@ibm.net> writes:
> > Makes sense, recalling that ATC and FSS are separate organizations
> > in separate locations, and ATC has to take time to pick up the
> > phone and call FSS in order to get the pirep you give them into
> > the system.
 
> True, but often the facility you want to have the PIREP is the local
> ATC. (Thinking in particular about icing information.) Sure, it would
> be nice if FSS learned about all the icing PIREPs, but ATC really
> needs to know that, especially when us small fry have to get in and
> out in non-KICE airplanes.

*Especially* if it is an icing Pirep, I would like to think that
fellow pilots would consider it critically important to get their
Pirep into the FSS system so that pilots receiving wx briefings
are given this information before they take to the air.

Us small fry have no need to go anywhere when there's icing.
 
> Hearing from ATC, "10 minutes ago, a DC-9 climbing out of DTW reported
> bases at 2100, tops at 3700, negative ice, negative turbulence" is
> quite re-assuring when you're already carrying 1/4" of rime, and would
> prefer to land with a clear windscreen and as little ice as you can
> arrange. :-)

You speak from personal experience here?

If you have 1/4" of rime ice, you already have an emergency and
need all the help you can get.  Don't assume "negative ice" for a DC-9
passing through a 1500 ft cloud layer means negative ice for planes 
with less of a climb rate.  The OAT in those clouds is just as relevant.

You can ask for, and ATC can solicit on your behalf, Pireps from other
aircraft.  But have some thought for the pilots still on the ground
and keeping them out of your predicament too.

Just in my opinion of course.  But there are several accidents from
C182 pilots who figured their plane could handle "a little bit" of
ice.

Snow"but not ice"bird

