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> Tony Shen wrote:

> > Roy, this is the WHOLE POINT!!
> > Since he still want to discuss what I have studied so end up with 
> > I'm still paying for the ground time!! For example, he didn't teach > > me how to do the flight plan and I learned all that by reading
> > books and watching videos. And when we did our first duel
> > cross-country, I showed him the flight plan I did by myself. He was > > impressed, but still, he went through all the materials again which > > I didn't really learn anything new at all (...)I got charged for 2 
> > hours, which include the ground time. I felt so bad. :(

> > any suggestion?

Yes...Tony, read the FARs applying to PPL training.  Read them
carefully; there should be a list of the applicable ones in the
front of your copy (photocopy the list in the ASA version if not).
The FARs are available on-line at the www.faa.gov web site if you
don't have a copy.

Your CFI is *specifically required by the FARs* to give you 
ground instruction in cross country flight planning before he
can sign you off for a solo cross country flight.  See FAR 61.93
(a)(3) and (f).

Then go to http://www.avweb.com/articles/faavsair.html which
describes how a young CFI gave a former fighter pilot/air traffic
controller minimal instruction on XC planning because of what he
already knew, and wound up losing his certificates when the
student ran out of gas (after being instructed to buy fuel) on
the dead center of the airway he was following.

Since your CFI is required to give you this instruction, and he
can get in a lot of trouble if he doesn't, IMO he deserves 
compensation for it.

> > me, the "test" time is actually a waste of my time and money, cause > > I really know all that. man!

No, actually the "test" on cross country planning is an FAA requirement.
Apparently "all that" you know doesn't include the FARs regarding
PPL flight training.

Other than that, I suggest you show your CFI what you are using
to study (in my case, I had a notebook in which I'd answered all
the questions in the Jepp exercise book which accompanies their
manual) and tell him that you feel you know the material and would
like him to simply quiz you and instruct you on any points you
might not have covered on your own.  I think in my case seeing a
notebook filled with questions and answers helped my CFI feel
comfortable that I really had studied the material not just read
the book while watching "X-files" on TV.

Snowbird


